There are terrorists that have evidence that Trump was part of the Epstein evidence and a pedophile. They used that evidence to blackmail Trump and his network while he was campaigning. Trump agreed to help these terrorists in exchange for them not releasing the evidence publicly. Trump and these terrorists joined forces at that point. These terrorists even helped Trump win the election. These terrorists contacted thousands of people. They manipulated all of these people to support and vote for Trump.
Now some of these terrorists are trying to make it appear that they want this to end but Trump and his network are preventing it. Some of these terrorists are still working for Trump. They have been threatening people (chief justices and judges) pretending to be Trump supporters. They have been ordering pizza to these people’s houses to intimidate them. I’m sure they have done this to many government officials for Trump. These terrorists want Trump and his network to appear desperate and dangerous. That way these terrorists will have an excuse why they could not do the right thing.
Christopher Wray and Kash Patel have tampered with evidence. These terrorists somehow got evidence on everyone Trump paid to cover up his sex crimes. That’s what these terrorists initially used to blackmail Trump and his network. The FBI, DOJ, and CIA all had the Epstein/Trump evidence. Kash Patel personally dissuaded me from presenting the FBI NYC field office evidence in mid 2024. He was not even officially a part of the FBI yet. Neither were any of the 5 people there “training” with him that day.
Trump’s network is now forced to help these terrorists or they will be imprisoned for what they have been doing. Trump’s network from covering up his crimes against women and children has grown over the last 30 years. Trump is putting all of these people in positions of power. It’s almost impossible to do anything about Trump, Trump’s network or these terrorists.
These are the key players I have identified in Trump’s network so far:
Dan Bongino, Alina Habba, Pam Bondi, Mike Johnson, Christopher Wray, Kash Patel, Bryan Vorndarn, Gen. Mike Flynn, Tulsi Gabbard, Todd Blanche, Emil Bove, Jeanine Pirro, and Kristi Noem.
I can connect these people mostly from what they have been doing publicly.
What Trump and his network are doing to me they have done to women, children and children’s parents that have tried to report rape to authorities. It’s not just Kash Patel and Christopher Wray doing this either. The victims that these people have silenced need to join in a class action lawsuit against the government. Between Trump threatening victims and the authorities not pursuing justice for these victims. These victims can never get justice and have to live in fear for their lives. Trump and his network should be in prison for life. These terrorists have to be held accountable for their actions.
Releasing the Epstein/Trump files will bring justice to this corrupt network.
H.R. 4405, the Epstein Files Transparency Act has to get the majority vote for that to happen.
Don’t attempt to tell me nonsense. You did NOT vote for H.R. 4405. The bill you voted for and were instructed to vote for contained fabricated evidence intended to clear Trump. You voted on that bill knowing that. Stop telling stories. I’ve done thorough investigations.
Trump does not care how bad it looks telling your constituents bold faced lies. Trump is just using you in an attempt to clear his name.
Doing the right thing is more important than being a republican
There cannot be any sides when it comes to protecting our country, women and children. There will not be anyone voting for a representative that hasn’t voted for full release. Telling your constituents you voted will not work. Vote for H.R. 4405. The Epstein files including the sealed files have to be released in entirety.
While I don’t have any evidence to support any of that, it certainly all seems like an explanation that fits. The problem is that, without evidence from sources I believe are likely credible, all I have is a big hole, begging for any conspiracy theory that can fill it. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time it would take to seriously investigate each theory and each source for the theory to see if any one of them is right.
BUT I would not be surprised in the least to find that something much like what you’ve described is the case. That is the kind of explanation the government’s stonewalling and evidence burying and obvious lying beg for, especially when coupled with all we know about Trump’s immoral, playboy social life and his long friendship with Epstein, which only ended when Trump beat Epstein out of a property deal Epstein was working on … down by Mar-a-Lago, I think.
If you want to get rid of Donald Trump then we have to get the Democrats the majority.
Make sure you vote for Democrat representatives in 2026. OTHERWISE TRUMP AND HIS CORRUPT NETWORK WILL CONTINUE THEIR DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA
FOR NOW ——-///-
Everyone has to educate their congress representatives and senators about Trump raping women and children. Write letters and emails to your state congress representatives and senators.
There are a few representatives that don't know how evil/corrupt Trump and his network actually are. Almost all of the republicans know. They are just such lowlifes that they are worried about losing their jobs once everyone finds out.
THE EPSTEIN/TRUMP FILES HAVE TO BE RELEASED.
H.R. 4405, the Epstein Files Transparency Act has to get the majority vote for that to happen.
Don’t let the Republican representatives convince you they voted for this. THAT’S A LIE. They voted for H.R. 668 intended to clear Trump’s name from the actual files.
cash isn't very good at lying is he. any more pushing questions his eyes might pop out of his head. listen to the victims. the victims got bill cosby convicted.
Howdy, the problem i have with these women about Epstein is NONE OF THEM are naming names of criminals that used and abused them. They’re not going to be helped by the likes of the fbi or doj. Ladies it’s time to protect yourselves and names the names, day, and places.
These are powerful people—very powerful—so the women are going to be reluctant to name names until the government gives them protection. So far, the government hasn’t even TALKED to them, which makes this the lamest “investigation” ever run.
It’s looking to me like he stocks their cabinets with plenty of whiskey to make sure they are too inebriated to figure out what to do. Patel appears to be on the level of Forrest Gump, but without the good luck. What FBI leader waits for credible evidence to be brought TO him. That’s why they call it the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION. They’re supposed to go out and talk to everyone and start looking for trails to clues and evidence. Patel looks like a deer caught in the headlights who has no idea which way to turn.
The key to what Patel said is "CREDIBLE" evidence. I would go a step further. In law, testimony is opinion, unless it relates to documents, which includes photos. There are claims that the FBI has photos and videos, but even if they do have photos of the girls engaged in sexual activities with others, where is the evidence that they were trafficked, rather than doing it of their own free will? I remind people that Saint Virginia couldn't even keep her story straight about Andrew. First it was Epstein paid her $5k, then it was Andrew forced her while under age. One of Maxwell's accusers said it was Saint Virginia that recruited her and part of the pitch was that she got to screw Prince Andrew. She didn't meet Epstein until she was 17. The age of consent in the UK, where it was alleged to have happened, is 16. The infamous photo was an "original" before the settlement, but a copy (or photoshop) after the settlement. As I said "CREDIBLE" is the key word.
Not if the testimony is by witnesses to acts between other people. Then it can be very strong evidence. The point is that Patel is so dumb he hasn't even talked to any of the people who say they have testimony to give to find out what they were witnesses to. That's absolutely pathetic. You ALWAYS interview all the people making claims, especially potential witnesses to find out what they know and if they are credible. You're making silly excuses to try to help Patel out. He's far from having done a responsible investigation here -- VERY far.
the credible evidence are the photos. did you forget that. if you believe that testimony is only opinion. then all criminals convicted by testimony need freed
The only photo I am aware of is the one paraded by Saint Virginia, which she admitted was a copy. Victoria Herve, a then famous model who knew Andrew and Maxwell and had attended parties at Epstein's, claimed the photo was photoshopped, because she had been in Maxwell's flat, and things were out of scale. Even if the photo is real, it doesn't prove her accusations of sexual intercourse. Herve knew some of the girls and has some interesting observations, including seeing young girls at parties was not unusual, because every party she was at had young girls on hand to talk to the older men.
It is only since the "Believe all women"/Me Too stuff started that testimony of the individual/victim without corroboration has been taken as Gospel. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Of course there needs to be corroboration and credible witnesses, but he hasn't even talked to these women to figure out if they are credible and to see to what extent they might corroborate each other's stories as independent parties. No one needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt to launch a reasonable investigation to find out if such proof exists, and Patel, according to every one of the women who have come forward, has made NO investigation at all into their testimonies. That's absurd.
Exactly. It’s Patel’s job NOT to wait for other people to bring evidence of this Epstein stuff to him, but to make sure his force goes out and interviews every claimant and every potential witness. They haven’t even STARTED what I’d call a true investigation until they start doing that. That’s Investigation 101—talk to everyone involved. See how the stories correlate and whether they back each other. See what evidence those people HAVE that may prove their stories, such as photos they have of people they were with or maybe even people doing things with underage women they shouldn’t have been doing. It’s insane to say, “If anyone brings me credible evidence when it is your job to GO OUT AND GET IT!” AND IT’S NOT LIKE IT IS EVEN HARD TO GO LOOK FOR IN THIS CASE. As you said, just talk to the people who have come forward as a good staring point and build out from there. The guy needs to be fired for saying something as idiotic as “No credible evidence has been brought to me.”
You're missing the obvious: If you are hosting underage girls and know they are being used for sex, you are complicit in RAPE! (REGARDLESS of whether it was with their consent.)
I'm not missing the obvious. The issue is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless I am present, or have video/photographic evidence, I don't "know" whether they have engaged in sexual acts, even if they wanted to.
Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is what you need to prove your case. It is not what you need in order to investigate. Patel said he would INVESTIGATE if anyone came to him with evidence. You have to DO the investigation to find out if it meets reasonable doubt requirements. He hasn't even talked to women. No one at the FBI has, according to every one of them, which is grossly incompetent or--more likely--a coverup.
I'm with you they're lying to us, we know it and they know it, but they do it anyway probably because they know nothing will happen to them for lying to the American people. They have no shame. So what if officials in the American government lie to its citizens they represent. They live by no moral code, have no integrity and feel no internal conflict for the lies they tell. It's become second nature to go through their days telling lies when it's suited their needs. The American people will be disgruntled for a day or two and then the status quo continues. As I said before they have no shame. No problem looking directly into the camera and telling Lies. They feel no guilt, they are unapologetic being a liar. It's who they are it's how they live.
Ah Mr. Haggith, I finally found the source of the quote. Its Friedrich Nietzsche, who said "Everything the State says is a lie." You could quibble over the 1% they say thats true, but certainly "Raising the Minimum wage will NOT increase unemployment", "Tariffs will not raise prices.", Jobs created last month is (put in whatever lie you like)", "Yes, NO MORE WARS" after bombing Iran, "I will stop these wars in a day" (you can forgive him for having absolutely no grasp of Arab-Israeli feelings, even tho his son-in-law is Orthodox.), "The housing market only needs lower mortgage rates to revive." (as does commercial real estate.), "neither I nor my family will use the presidency to generate income" (Trump memecoins?) I could go almost forever. Nothing to see in the Epstein matter? NOTHING?
I know it will be very difficult, but at some time you will have to just give up on the state, and recognize it for the organized criminal enterprise it really is. There just is no other conclusion to be drawn from its actions over the past 170 years. Will any Epstein customer ever see the inside of a courtroom or, God forbid, a jail cell? NEVER. I am truly mystified Ghislaine is in prison farm. Oh the dirt she knows. They probably promised her her life in exchange for her silence. Is anybody in prison for the demolition of the WTC? For President Kennedy's assassination? For Pearl harbor? For any of the thousands of CIA crimes over the last 80 years? Spare me.
D. Trump aligned with terrorists
There are terrorists that have evidence that Trump was part of the Epstein evidence and a pedophile. They used that evidence to blackmail Trump and his network while he was campaigning. Trump agreed to help these terrorists in exchange for them not releasing the evidence publicly. Trump and these terrorists joined forces at that point. These terrorists even helped Trump win the election. These terrorists contacted thousands of people. They manipulated all of these people to support and vote for Trump.
Now some of these terrorists are trying to make it appear that they want this to end but Trump and his network are preventing it. Some of these terrorists are still working for Trump. They have been threatening people (chief justices and judges) pretending to be Trump supporters. They have been ordering pizza to these people’s houses to intimidate them. I’m sure they have done this to many government officials for Trump. These terrorists want Trump and his network to appear desperate and dangerous. That way these terrorists will have an excuse why they could not do the right thing.
Christopher Wray and Kash Patel have tampered with evidence. These terrorists somehow got evidence on everyone Trump paid to cover up his sex crimes. That’s what these terrorists initially used to blackmail Trump and his network. The FBI, DOJ, and CIA all had the Epstein/Trump evidence. Kash Patel personally dissuaded me from presenting the FBI NYC field office evidence in mid 2024. He was not even officially a part of the FBI yet. Neither were any of the 5 people there “training” with him that day.
Trump’s network is now forced to help these terrorists or they will be imprisoned for what they have been doing. Trump’s network from covering up his crimes against women and children has grown over the last 30 years. Trump is putting all of these people in positions of power. It’s almost impossible to do anything about Trump, Trump’s network or these terrorists.
These are the key players I have identified in Trump’s network so far:
Dan Bongino, Alina Habba, Pam Bondi, Mike Johnson, Christopher Wray, Kash Patel, Bryan Vorndarn, Gen. Mike Flynn, Tulsi Gabbard, Todd Blanche, Emil Bove, Jeanine Pirro, and Kristi Noem.
I can connect these people mostly from what they have been doing publicly.
What Trump and his network are doing to me they have done to women, children and children’s parents that have tried to report rape to authorities. It’s not just Kash Patel and Christopher Wray doing this either. The victims that these people have silenced need to join in a class action lawsuit against the government. Between Trump threatening victims and the authorities not pursuing justice for these victims. These victims can never get justice and have to live in fear for their lives. Trump and his network should be in prison for life. These terrorists have to be held accountable for their actions.
Releasing the Epstein/Trump files will bring justice to this corrupt network.
H.R. 4405, the Epstein Files Transparency Act has to get the majority vote for that to happen.
Don’t attempt to tell me nonsense. You did NOT vote for H.R. 4405. The bill you voted for and were instructed to vote for contained fabricated evidence intended to clear Trump. You voted on that bill knowing that. Stop telling stories. I’ve done thorough investigations.
Trump does not care how bad it looks telling your constituents bold faced lies. Trump is just using you in an attempt to clear his name.
Doing the right thing is more important than being a republican
There cannot be any sides when it comes to protecting our country, women and children. There will not be anyone voting for a representative that hasn’t voted for full release. Telling your constituents you voted will not work. Vote for H.R. 4405. The Epstein files including the sealed files have to be released in entirety.
While I don’t have any evidence to support any of that, it certainly all seems like an explanation that fits. The problem is that, without evidence from sources I believe are likely credible, all I have is a big hole, begging for any conspiracy theory that can fill it. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time it would take to seriously investigate each theory and each source for the theory to see if any one of them is right.
BUT I would not be surprised in the least to find that something much like what you’ve described is the case. That is the kind of explanation the government’s stonewalling and evidence burying and obvious lying beg for, especially when coupled with all we know about Trump’s immoral, playboy social life and his long friendship with Epstein, which only ended when Trump beat Epstein out of a property deal Epstein was working on … down by Mar-a-Lago, I think.
SAVING THE COUNTRY FROM TRUMP
If you want to get rid of Donald Trump then we have to get the Democrats the majority.
Make sure you vote for Democrat representatives in 2026. OTHERWISE TRUMP AND HIS CORRUPT NETWORK WILL CONTINUE THEIR DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA
FOR NOW ——-///-
Everyone has to educate their congress representatives and senators about Trump raping women and children. Write letters and emails to your state congress representatives and senators.
There are a few representatives that don't know how evil/corrupt Trump and his network actually are. Almost all of the republicans know. They are just such lowlifes that they are worried about losing their jobs once everyone finds out.
THE EPSTEIN/TRUMP FILES HAVE TO BE RELEASED.
H.R. 4405, the Epstein Files Transparency Act has to get the majority vote for that to happen.
Don’t let the Republican representatives convince you they voted for this. THAT’S A LIE. They voted for H.R. 668 intended to clear Trump’s name from the actual files.
Republicans are nothing more than paid voters
THIS IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
cash isn't very good at lying is he. any more pushing questions his eyes might pop out of his head. listen to the victims. the victims got bill cosby convicted.
Howdy, the problem i have with these women about Epstein is NONE OF THEM are naming names of criminals that used and abused them. They’re not going to be helped by the likes of the fbi or doj. Ladies it’s time to protect yourselves and names the names, day, and places.
These are powerful people—very powerful—so the women are going to be reluctant to name names until the government gives them protection. So far, the government hasn’t even TALKED to them, which makes this the lamest “investigation” ever run.
Does anyone think Trumpor ANY Presidents stock their cabinets with High IQ Einsteins? That's not how organized crime works.
It’s looking to me like he stocks their cabinets with plenty of whiskey to make sure they are too inebriated to figure out what to do. Patel appears to be on the level of Forrest Gump, but without the good luck. What FBI leader waits for credible evidence to be brought TO him. That’s why they call it the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION. They’re supposed to go out and talk to everyone and start looking for trails to clues and evidence. Patel looks like a deer caught in the headlights who has no idea which way to turn.
The key to what Patel said is "CREDIBLE" evidence. I would go a step further. In law, testimony is opinion, unless it relates to documents, which includes photos. There are claims that the FBI has photos and videos, but even if they do have photos of the girls engaged in sexual activities with others, where is the evidence that they were trafficked, rather than doing it of their own free will? I remind people that Saint Virginia couldn't even keep her story straight about Andrew. First it was Epstein paid her $5k, then it was Andrew forced her while under age. One of Maxwell's accusers said it was Saint Virginia that recruited her and part of the pitch was that she got to screw Prince Andrew. She didn't meet Epstein until she was 17. The age of consent in the UK, where it was alleged to have happened, is 16. The infamous photo was an "original" before the settlement, but a copy (or photoshop) after the settlement. As I said "CREDIBLE" is the key word.
"In law, testimony is opinion"
Not if the testimony is by witnesses to acts between other people. Then it can be very strong evidence. The point is that Patel is so dumb he hasn't even talked to any of the people who say they have testimony to give to find out what they were witnesses to. That's absolutely pathetic. You ALWAYS interview all the people making claims, especially potential witnesses to find out what they know and if they are credible. You're making silly excuses to try to help Patel out. He's far from having done a responsible investigation here -- VERY far.
the credible evidence are the photos. did you forget that. if you believe that testimony is only opinion. then all criminals convicted by testimony need freed
The only photo I am aware of is the one paraded by Saint Virginia, which she admitted was a copy. Victoria Herve, a then famous model who knew Andrew and Maxwell and had attended parties at Epstein's, claimed the photo was photoshopped, because she had been in Maxwell's flat, and things were out of scale. Even if the photo is real, it doesn't prove her accusations of sexual intercourse. Herve knew some of the girls and has some interesting observations, including seeing young girls at parties was not unusual, because every party she was at had young girls on hand to talk to the older men.
Testimony: https://thelawdictionary.org/testimony/
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_701
It is only since the "Believe all women"/Me Too stuff started that testimony of the individual/victim without corroboration has been taken as Gospel. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Of course there needs to be corroboration and credible witnesses, but he hasn't even talked to these women to figure out if they are credible and to see to what extent they might corroborate each other's stories as independent parties. No one needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt to launch a reasonable investigation to find out if such proof exists, and Patel, according to every one of the women who have come forward, has made NO investigation at all into their testimonies. That's absurd.
And Patel says, "No credible evidence brought to me..."
Well, GO GET IT! YOU CAN talk to them...
Exactly. It’s Patel’s job NOT to wait for other people to bring evidence of this Epstein stuff to him, but to make sure his force goes out and interviews every claimant and every potential witness. They haven’t even STARTED what I’d call a true investigation until they start doing that. That’s Investigation 101—talk to everyone involved. See how the stories correlate and whether they back each other. See what evidence those people HAVE that may prove their stories, such as photos they have of people they were with or maybe even people doing things with underage women they shouldn’t have been doing. It’s insane to say, “If anyone brings me credible evidence when it is your job to GO OUT AND GET IT!” AND IT’S NOT LIKE IT IS EVEN HARD TO GO LOOK FOR IN THIS CASE. As you said, just talk to the people who have come forward as a good staring point and build out from there. The guy needs to be fired for saying something as idiotic as “No credible evidence has been brought to me.”
You're missing the obvious: If you are hosting underage girls and know they are being used for sex, you are complicit in RAPE! (REGARDLESS of whether it was with their consent.)
I'm not missing the obvious. The issue is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless I am present, or have video/photographic evidence, I don't "know" whether they have engaged in sexual acts, even if they wanted to.
Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is what you need to prove your case. It is not what you need in order to investigate. Patel said he would INVESTIGATE if anyone came to him with evidence. You have to DO the investigation to find out if it meets reasonable doubt requirements. He hasn't even talked to women. No one at the FBI has, according to every one of them, which is grossly incompetent or--more likely--a coverup.
New sign for conservatives, “ Will take a bullet for the Truth “ . [ you may have to change locations daily ]
I never said I'd take a bullet for the truth.
What happens if that is what it will take? I got my sign made, but, its just a sign.
Well said David, linking as usual today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
I'm with you they're lying to us, we know it and they know it, but they do it anyway probably because they know nothing will happen to them for lying to the American people. They have no shame. So what if officials in the American government lie to its citizens they represent. They live by no moral code, have no integrity and feel no internal conflict for the lies they tell. It's become second nature to go through their days telling lies when it's suited their needs. The American people will be disgruntled for a day or two and then the status quo continues. As I said before they have no shame. No problem looking directly into the camera and telling Lies. They feel no guilt, they are unapologetic being a liar. It's who they are it's how they live.
which is why the govt parasites need removed forcibly.
Ah Mr. Haggith, I finally found the source of the quote. Its Friedrich Nietzsche, who said "Everything the State says is a lie." You could quibble over the 1% they say thats true, but certainly "Raising the Minimum wage will NOT increase unemployment", "Tariffs will not raise prices.", Jobs created last month is (put in whatever lie you like)", "Yes, NO MORE WARS" after bombing Iran, "I will stop these wars in a day" (you can forgive him for having absolutely no grasp of Arab-Israeli feelings, even tho his son-in-law is Orthodox.), "The housing market only needs lower mortgage rates to revive." (as does commercial real estate.), "neither I nor my family will use the presidency to generate income" (Trump memecoins?) I could go almost forever. Nothing to see in the Epstein matter? NOTHING?
I know it will be very difficult, but at some time you will have to just give up on the state, and recognize it for the organized criminal enterprise it really is. There just is no other conclusion to be drawn from its actions over the past 170 years. Will any Epstein customer ever see the inside of a courtroom or, God forbid, a jail cell? NEVER. I am truly mystified Ghislaine is in prison farm. Oh the dirt she knows. They probably promised her her life in exchange for her silence. Is anybody in prison for the demolition of the WTC? For President Kennedy's assassination? For Pearl harbor? For any of the thousands of CIA crimes over the last 80 years? Spare me.
Nothing to argue with there, that's for sure.