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I could be making a good case for the wrong idea, but...

I read the Appeals Court document and it is written as if *for* the Conservatives on the Supreme Court. It's argument is based on the SC's "Major Questions Doctrine".

Lazy wiki copy for the paragraph below:

"The major questions doctrine is a principle of statutory interpretation in United States administrative law under which, pursuant to recent Supreme Court precedent, courts have held that questions of major political or economic significance may not be delegated by Congress to executive agencies absent sufficiently clear and explicit authorization. It functions as a canon to limit broad assertions of implied powers, effectively reinforcing the role of legislative power."

That Doctrine is the darling of the Conservatives on the SC. That is also the argument the Appeals majority used: the IEEPA, which the administration cites as it's basis, nowhere states "tariff" or any synonym of tariff, and has not been used for tariffs. It has been used for sanctions. But never *indefinite* tariffs.

By the logic of that Doctrine, Trump has no standing. Frankly, I think it gives away the SC's own opinion of an "emergency" given it had a chance to take up the case months ago, did not, and let it play out in lower courts.

Now is that absolute? It can be open to hypocrisy, as show by Brett Kavanaugh in FCC vs. Consumers' Research.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/brett-kavanaugh-putting-thumb-scale-100000027.html

Liberals think the SC is totally wanton and just for Trump. But it is following a certain logic. On the face of it, it's not that Trump is absolutely empowered. It's that the Executive is absolutely empowered in the Executive Branch (*in their lane*). I argue that's ahistorical and extremely dangerous as it is. But it's not absolute over the other branches of government or state government.

I would argue this upcoming case would make or break that assessment. If they side with the administration, it's a cop-out of the highest caliber. If it gives the President the ability to execute these based on vagueness that violates their own "Major Question Doctrine" then it would empower the Chief Executive to do anything so long as they declared it an emergency, which undercuts the very basis of Constitutional power and limits to power. They could rubber stamp anything they want with absolute authority, so long as they say "it's an emergency".

If they find against the administration, it's a sign that the SC at least abides by its own logic: the government is three coequal branches imbued with specific powers. The Executive is the leader of the Executive Branch, but is not able to proclaim powers not specifically invested in it by another branch. (Whether any branch can give away power if they do so specifically is another matter). It's a push back on Executive Overreach, and will be a necessary correction back to checks and balances.

The administration may argue consequences (as phony as those are) but the Court has allowed for all his Executive Branch shakeups regardless of major consequences such as thousands of people bring fired. The Court (at least says) it cares about the facts and not the feelings or moral correctness.

If it makes an exception for Trump, it's giving away a game to give him deference and you might as well get your passport out right now. But it may also be finally a pushback, because it's a pushback based on their own logic. Don't forget, these guys and gals are from the Federalist Society. They're supposedly for limited government and States Rights. I don't say that flippantly, except in a case where they hypocritically act against those beliefs.

Based on their own think tank, they should be against Trump on this one. This would also be a benchmark for two other imminent cases: the firing of Cook (after the Fed was the only agency they said was totally independent) and the use of National Guard Troops in a situation of domestic policing and/or to be Federalized and enter a state despite no actual insurrection, emergency, or obstruction of Federal law and no request from the local government. (Even with a request, it would still be illegal).

The SC doesn't like getting into intent as much anymore, but when they keep saying "you better lower the interest rates or else" and fire Cook on an alternate basis, it's hard to turn a blind eye. In the Chicago case, saying "crime" and they're going to send troops to fight domestic crime, it's hard to turn a blind eye if the administration then tries to say "oh, just immigration". And if a state files a lawsuit against you, and keeps saying crime statistics, it's hard to say there's an insurrection. Crime is a bad thing, but it's a domestic issue. Sending in troops to fight domestic crime is like you shooting my grandma in December, me asking why, and you saying "well she gets sick every winter"; it has a logic but it's overreach, the wrong answer and illegal.

Cook is the one area of the Executive realm the SC put off limits from arbitrary decisions. The Chicago issue is a States Rights, Local Rights and Federalism issue alongside a military overreach issue. These three cases would be the trifecta to look out for in terms of how much the SC cares about law, separation of powers and limited government.

If they find against the administration, they are honest in what they're doing. We then have a SC that may be disagreeable but at least has a logic and will maintain the ship of state, and protect individuals and local government against Executive Overreach. If they find for the administration, it's a bunch of lick-spittles finding any excuse and twisting all logic to embolden the Presidency as the ruling position, and Trump specifically, with no checks on power, and the ability to do anything with the excuse of "emergency" and "national defense". It places the Chief Executive as a rubber stamp tyrant able to subsume the will of the people, local government and state government to personal whims and decisions.

I'm a flag waving, "I may not agree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it" patriot. I'm not a fair weather techno-bro tyrant on either side. Those people are why we got to what we're dealing with. The saddest part is that if this were any Democrat, your gut would know it'd all be thrown out. Biden had student loan plans thrown out as overreach. Maybe even if this was any Republican. But there's some dark loss of hope in our souls that questions if it will be, just because it's Donald Trump. And that nihilism may be correct. What the Hell happened to us?

On a side note, the three dissenting voices on that case I mentioned earlier were Gorsuch, Alito and Thomas. The most interesting freak of nature is if you got a majority *against* Trump because those three joined with the three Liberals on the court.

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sourapples's avatar

how far into the future are the Weimar wheelbarrows you think?

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